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Cheney declares himself above the law E-mail
Written by ShadowMonkey   
Monday, 06 November 2006

Vice President Dick Cheney yesterday all but declared himself above the law, stating that he would probably refuse to comply with a Congressional subpoena to testify before a congressional committee. 

The following is a report regarding Cheney's interview on ABC's "This Week:"

Asked in a television interview if he would testify before Congress if he received a subpoena from lawmakers however, Cheney said it was unlikely he would comply, as it would break with American political tradition.

"I have no idea that I'm going to be subpoenaed, and obviously, we'd sit down and look at it at the time," he told ABC's "This Week".

"But probably not, in the sense that the president and the vice president are constitutional officers and don't appear before the Congress," Cheney said.

Cheney, known for his robust view of the executive branch's power, said it was not customary for the president or vice president to be compelled to testify before a congressional committee.

Now, really, I don't care who the hell you are -- if you're a U.S. citizen, you're subject to the laws of the nation. This appears to be yet another example of the Bush/Cheney administration disregarding the 'rule of law' in favor of their own interpretations of the Constitution.

It's time these boys were made to attend (and pass!) a high-school civics lesson...


Update: ThinkProgress has additional commentary (along with a video and transcript of Cheney making the statement at http://thinkprogress.org/2006/11/05/cheney-testify/ 

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I can't believe...
distrog (Unregistered) 2006-11-06 15:15:48

I can't believe the arrogance of Bush and Cheney. You'd think the Congress (even the Republicans) would realize they are being shat upon by the Administration at every turn.

 

Mr.
Roach (Unregistered) 2006-11-06 15:42:38

Cheney is a psychopath. His black, stinted heart is a black hole of decay. He is the old, grey emperor to Bush's Darth Vader. Unfortunately, this story is not fiction. The culmination of death and villainy is real and it grows.

 

Mr.
Roach (Unregistered) 2006-11-06 15:44:47

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NORMYL - alternative fuels for the mind.

 

Anonymous (Unregistered) 2006-11-06 16:13:15

Cheney is the man behind the curtain in the 9/11 attacks. Of course he doesn't feel compelled to testify. Would you, if you killed thousands of Americans? Would you, if you had the power of the Executive and a complicit media and cowardly Congress at your fingertips?

This scumsucking bottom feeding mass murdered WILL be held accountable.

 

NoFanOfChaneyBut... (Unregistered) 2006-11-06 16:17:39

"Cheney declares himself above the law" ... "

"Vice President Dick Cheney yesterday all but declared himself above the law"

Well, did he or didn't he? Your words...just saying...

 

Mr.
Roach (Unregistered) 2006-11-06 16:20:52

President Clinton was impeached by a Republican congress for sexual promiscuity in the White House.

Let's hope a Democratic congress wil impeach these men for murder. Bush should be impeached for stuttering.

 

re: NoFanOfChaneyBut
shadowmonkey (Unregistered) 2006-11-06 20:42:02

Quote:
Well, did he or didn't he? Your words...just saying...


I think that in effect he did. He didn't use those exact words, however. (ie. didn't say in his interview "I am above the law.")

He did. He didn't. He sort of did.

I get your point though...

 

Vice President Appears before
Voice of Reason (Unregistered) 2006-11-06 17:19:06

"But probably not, in the sense that the president and the vice president are constitutional officers and don't appear before the Congress," Cheney said.

Okay, the Vice President is the President of the Senate, which he appears before to in some cases cast the vote that breaks a tie.

Don't you remember Cheney? You appeared on the floor of the Senate before, it was when you called that Senator an "asshole," asshole.

 

You people are idiots...
dummies (Unregistered) 2006-11-06 18:52:59

Forget high school civics, try reading the constitution. Ever heard of separation of powers?

I don't care for Cheney, or Bush, but, the facts are the facts.

 

I would not call them idiots,
Agree with 'dummies' (Unregistered) 2006-11-06 19:46:22

Traditionally, members of each branch of government are not investigated by the other branches; this allows the President to operate without having to worry about political interruptions in the form of investigations from congress... and vice-versa.

Earlier this year the FBI raided the offices of Rep Cunningham, and there was an outcry from the legislative branch; They have their own investigative body. This had NEVER been done before.

I DESPISE Bush and his administration. But Impeachment is the only way for the congress to deal with Bush, since he obviously would not allow the FBI to investigate Cheney.

That's a bit of difference between Clinton and Bush: Clinton did not get in the way of the investigations into Whitewater, (other than lying about the affair with ML).

 

sep of powers, etc.
ShadowMonkey (Unregistered) 2006-11-06 20:04:19

Thanks, folks, for the discussion/posts on the separation of powers issues involved.

Some interesting reading on the matter, after just a quick search:



A Presidential Subpoena

Who can check the president?

Sweet Subpoena

Please feel free to post other related links here. ...just interested in the pursuit of the truth and facts.

-sm

 

Iconoclast
Bdox (Unregistered) 2006-11-06 20:07:55

Cheney seems the think that he is exempt from the 'checks and balances' that are essential to our form of govt.

IF he is subpoenaed, and fails to appear, they should have the DC police pick him up and jail him for contempt of congress.

 

lucky eddie (Unregistered) 2006-11-06 20:43:49

Hmph, I must be getting old. It all sounds so familiar...

* Clinton thought he was above the law, because he could perjure himself under oath and suffer nothing but the political consequences. He was right.

* Reagan thought he was above the law when he sold arms for hostages. If he knew about it, that is; if he didn't, then he was out of touch. Either way, political consequences only.

* Nixon thought he was above the law...
* FDR thought he was above the law...

The list goes on... Yeah, they think they're above the law, and, for all intents and purposes, they're right.

 

Nuts
Tim (Unregistered) 2006-11-06 22:13:25

You're all a bunch of nuts

 

Rowd (Unregistered) 2006-11-07 01:54:10

Really, now, let's replace a few words here... President and vice president with king and queen, and Congress with Parliament: so, "not customary for the president or vice president to be compelled to testify before a congressional committee" becomes "not customary for the king or queen to be compelled to testify before a Parliamentary committee."

...

It frightens me that that was so easy to do.

 

Dude
DM (Unregistered) 2006-11-07 07:50:26

Notice the word "traditionally". That is good ole boy mentality at it's finest. "Traditionally" gays don't get married. "Traditionally" blacks are bad swimmers (just ask Rush Limbaugh).

"Traditionally" is the new term for "That's just the way things are. Know your place and shut up about it."

 

Checks and balances?
DarqueWing (Author) 2006-11-07 11:58:39

While it's true that the problem of issuing a subpoena to a sitting president or vice-president is not entirely resolved, it's also true that our government was specifically set up with checks and balances. The president does have to answer to Congress, as the body that has the power to impeach, so the power to compel testimony could fall under that responsibility, just as John Marshall held that the Supreme Court has the power to overturn unconstitutional laws passed by Congress way back when Thomas Jefferson became president. It could simply be qualified as a necessary, fundamental part of exercising that constitutional power - that is, if Congress will have the guts to face the political ramifications, which have nothing at all to do with law.

As for the president and vice-president being above the law, I once again like to look back at history. When George Washington still served as president, there was a lot of questions as to how to address the president: Your Honor, Your Majesty, Your Excellency - but Washington hated all of them, and thought they sounded far too monarchical for a country that had just wriggled out from under the oppressive thumb of a king. So he started a tradition that holds to this day: he took the simple appellation of "Mr. President." That kind of humility and honesty was what marked George Washington as a true leader of men, and a true believer in the republic. By exercising that same kind of honesty and humility, Cheney could actually set a new precedent by voluntarily appearing before Congress, thereby establishing that power and acknowledging it as constitutionally sound and necessary.

Then again, wishful thinking and appealing to honor hasn't done much so far.

 

Iconoclast
Nuts (Unregistered) 2006-11-08 10:51:34

While speaking of seperation of powers, you somehow manage to believe that the DC police have any power over the federal government. City PD's aren't more powerful than Kings (or their wizards and princes).

 

Short Memory
Republican (Unregistered) 2007-03-16 16:45:46

There is a long line of presidents not testifying in congress when summoned. Have you forgotten about Bill Clinton?

This is not news, nor arrogance. Grow up and move on.

Cheney is the issue.

 

re: Short Memory
ShadowMonkey (Unregistered) 2007-03-16 16:56:11

THanks for the comment, Republican. Bill Clinton, George Bush, Dick Cheney...whoever. The arrogance of the executive branch goes a little far at times. Are they still not citizens, subject to the laws of the nation?

...not sure what you mean by your phrase "Cheney is the issue." That's the point.

 

US CITIZEN
patrick (Unregistered) 2007-04-06 02:06:51

YOU MIGHT AS WELL GET READY FOR A NEW US GOVERNMENT INFLICTED 2007=2008 ATTACK ON THE USA. MARTIAL LAW WILL HAPPEN. THE 2008 ELECTIONS WILL BE CANCELLED, AND THE BUSH / CHENEY NEO CON DICTATORSHIP WILL BE ANNOUNCED. HELL IT'S ALREADY BEEN ANNOUNCED. JUST HIDE AND WATCH. IF YOU TRY AND RESIST YOU WILL BE THROWN IN ONE OF THE 800+ ONCENTRATION CAMPS THAT ARE ALREADY BUILT AND READY FOR YA. RIGHT HERE IN THE GOOD OLD USA. ARM YOURSELF NOW!

 

EXACTLY RIGHT
jpom22 (Unregistered) 2007-05-06 20:01:08

been sayin it for some time now, but not with the conviction i reached about a year ago.

of course! they will declare martial law. why the hell WOULDN'T they?? they've done everything else to test the american people's commitment to democracy. this would be the last test. no, this WILL be the last test.

when this happens, i doubt if anyone will oppose them - especially after the hoover dam is blown to smithereens... and guess who will get the blame? sure, that little ol' guy in a cave in afghanistan.

soooo pathetic, the failure of our schools to teach how the nazis did it to the german people. the parallels are so blatant. amazing.

 

Congress is not above the law
ThirstyJon (Unregistered) 2007-07-22 09:48:55

Our constitution provides for a separation of powers. It is silly to say that the Vice President thinks he is above the law for saying he may not follow a subpoena from congress. What clause in the constitution gives congress the right to subpoena the chief officers of the executive branch? Cheney would not be above the law, he would be upholding the law if he chose not to go.

 

Startling Ignorance
ThirstyJon (Unregistered) 2007-07-22 09:54:17

Anonymous wrote:
Cheney is the man behind the curtain in the 9/11 attacks. Of course he doesn't feel compelled to testify. Would you, if you killed thousands of Americans? Would you, if you had the power of the Executive and a complicit media and cowardly Congress at your fingertips?

This scumsucking bottom feeding mass murdered WILL be held accountable.


Now... This one is just plain startling ignorance.

 

Empty Nonsense
ThirstyJon (Unregistered) 2007-07-22 09:56:23

Roach wrote:
Cheney is a psychopath. His black, stinted heart is a black hole of decay. He is the old, grey emperor to Bush's Darth Vader. Unfortunately, this story is not fiction. The culmination of death and villainy is real and it grows.


Don't you think this approach lacks CONTENT? Why are you talking like this? Do you have any REASONS for opposing Cheney, or just empty nonsense?

 

re: ThirstyJon
admin (Super Administrator) 2007-07-22 10:42:02

I'll agree, ThirstyJon, that some folks get out of hand in how they vocalize their objections to Cheney's actions.

I'll respond, however, to one of your points. The power of Congress to issue subpoenas is well founded in law. How the Executive Branch responds to such subpoenas is, however, open to interpretation. I suggest checking out Issue Research: Congressional subpoenas for some in-depth reading on the subject.

-sm

 

ThirstyJon (Unregistered) 2007-08-25 16:56:58

It is strange how content-less much political discussion on the internet is. It almost seems as if people think they are displaying intelligence by mocking, insulting, and ranting nonsense!

Thanks for the link on Congressional subpoenas. I'll check it out.

ThirstyJon
freedomthirst.com
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